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GWB Carpoolers Seek Clarification From Port Authority, Dismissed Tickets

On the same day a newspaper report came out saying Gov. Christie told the Port Authority to end its crackdown on carpooling at the bridge, Fort Lee resident Leonor Javier said she’s eager to see how the agency responds.

 

The de facto leader of a grassroots group of Fort Lee residents and fellow commuters from neighboring towns who took on the Port Authority over what they saw as a crackdown on the longstanding practice of carpooling at the George Washington Bridge, and apparently won, says she’s pleased with a news report indicating the crackdown is no more.

But Leonor Javier of Fort Lee also says she’s not done fighting until tickets she believes were issued “illegally” are dismissed and the Port Authority provides her group with an explanation of how the agency is going to proceed from here on out.

Northjersey.com, citing a senior Port Authority official, reported Wednesday that New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie recently ordered an end to the crackdown after several national media outlets, including the Wall Street Journal, picked up the story.

As Patch reported in October, the group originally mobilized to demand a place to legally pick up passengers after the Port Authority—shortly after toll hikes went into effect—started ticketing drivers heading for the tollbooths in Fort Lee for violations like illegally taking on passengers or stopping at a bus stop in what some described at the time as a “crackdown” and others called “harassment.”

They also said enforcement was inconsistent and seemingly arbitrary, pointing out that police were not ticketing drivers for picking up passengers at the bus stop on the north side of Bridge Plaza heading away from the bridge.

In April the group started an online campaign, calling the Port Authority’s crackdown “unfair” and saying they were suddenly being “illegally targeted” for something they’ve been doing for many years simply to save a few bucks on tolls—the agency’s Carpool Plan allows commuters to get across the bridge for just $3.50 if they have an E-ZPass account and are registered for the plan, have three or more people in their non-commercial vehicle and use a staffed “Cash-E-ZPass” lane so a toll collector can verify the number of people in the car.

Shortly after Javier’s group launched the online petition, a Port Authority official, citing safety, defended the practice, acknowledging that Port Authority police had been issuing summonses for unsafe lane changes—sometimes drivers coming up the center ramp have to cut across four lanes of traffic to get to the bus lane, agency spokesman Al Della Fave told Patch, “with total disregard of other folks who are coming up that outer ramp”—and for picking up passengers at the bus stop, which he said can cause a backup into traffic lanes.

“Besides breaking whatever law it might be, the unsafe lane change or the bus stop, just note too that we don’t condone picking up complete and utter strangers into your vehicle,” Della Fave said at the time. “You may be putting yourself in danger.”

But he also said that if the petition helped “move things forward on the local level,” then he saw it as a positive.

“We want to resolve the issue too,” Della Fave said.

Javier was in attendance at Thursday’s Mayor and Council executive session; she’s been meeting with Fort Lee Mayor Mark Sokolich to try and get the issue resolved once and for all.

“Leonor has been the person at the forefront of it,” Sokolich said of the news that Christie had requested an end to the crackdown. “We’re hopeful that we’re going to be able to put something somewhere that we can maybe have a drop off that’s safe.”

He suggested the possibility of “getting some of the property back that we’ve given to the Port Authority for that purpose.”

Javier, however, told Sokolich that since the agency is saying it is no longer going to be ticketing carpoolers, it might be best left alone.

But Sokolich said he believes having an “alternative” is something the carpoolers should seriously consider.

“Because what’s going to happen, God forbid, there’s going to be a triggering event that’s going to make everybody revisit it, and I’d rather have some sort of plan available,” he said.

Speaking after the meeting, Javier described her reaction to the news report as “very excited,” but said she still wants to meet with Port Authority officials, perhaps with Sokolich.

“This is exactly what we wanted,” she said. “We wanted them to stop ticketing and to leave us alone so we can pick up passengers there.”

Javier also said her main concern now is finding out what’s going to happen next.

“I want to meet with the Port Authority so I can know exactly what to tell the carpoolers” she said. “The paper said Gov. Christie told the Port Authority to stop ticketing and leave us alone, but we don’t know what their plan is.”

She said the next step, once that’s been clarified to her satisfaction, is to “get all those tickets reversed—all those tickets that were issued illegally.”

“[The Record article] said it was 172; it was a lot more than that,” Javier said. “There’s got to be thousands of them. At this moment, I just want to hear from them exactly how it’s going to work so there’s no confusion.”

Related Topics: Carpooling, Crackdown, Fort Lee Mayor Mark Sokolich, George Washington bridge, Gov. Chris Christie, Leonor Javier, and Port Authority

Anna

7:36 am on Friday, June 22, 2012

I was ticketed as a passenger! Will be fighting it in court.

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Billy Mays

7:36 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012

Anna,

Perhaps we should organize a "tea party" underneath the GWB as a protest. Look at the results of the last tea party held in Boston.

Zachary David

9:13 am on Friday, June 22, 2012

I'll play devil's advocate here. I understand why both the driver and the passenger want to do this - they both save money. The fact is though, that there is no "greater good" being achieved here. NJ Transit or the private buses and the Port Authority lose that revenue. But the buses are still running and there is no net energy savings by this opportunistic car pooling approach. (I don't think anyone is keeping their car at home and car pooling this way instead.) Taken to an extreme, you could make the case that if enough people stopped taking the bus across the bridge, bus fares might have to rise to make up the shortfall (I know that is theoretical because the number of car poolers is very small). I'm not against this car pooling idea since it is small potatoes, but I'm just bringing out a point. And please don't use this post as an opportunity to blast the Port Authority tolls or NJ Transit.. that is not the point of my post.

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William Mays

10:30 am on Friday, June 22, 2012

You make a good point Zachary, but the Port Authority has not been handling this issue the right way. Ticketing people who are just trying to save money isn't the right way to attract customers. Perhaps if their tolls weren't so high, people wouldn't be doing this.

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Eric Wanker

7:13 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012

Zach,

I agree with everything you brought up in your thought-provoking post; however, there is always one person who never heeds your request as to not make your post an opportunity to blast the Port Authority. (See post below from B. Mays)

carol simon

1:38 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012

"I am an opportunistic carpooler" when i can get it! I'm a transit passenger and a bridge walker. Tell me , what is the "greater good" you are looking for? The tolls are outrageous.

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Billy Mays

7:35 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012

Ms. Simon,

Please see my post below for an explanation of the great good.

Zachary David

2:08 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012

Carol: The "greater good" would be something that benefits more than just the people avoiding the higher tolls. As I mentioned, there is no benefit to the general public through this opportunistic car pooling (e.g., less pollution). Also: the $6 that these drivers are saving is coming out of the "Port Authority's pocket". Taken to the extreme: if this idea became extremely popular, it would not be feasible to allow because of the way it would tie up traffic. Also taken to the extreme, if enough people did it, the tolls could rise even more for those who did not car pool to make up the revenue shortfall. So as long as it stays a tiny number, it's fine. By the way: I agree that the tolls are outrageous. My point is that this is "gaming" the system. By the way: someone who picks up strangers and then gets into an accident may find themselves sued by passengers who get hurt.

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Eric Wanker

7:15 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012

Once again Zack, you bring up some interesting, accurate points. Bravo!

Timothy Turnstone

3:03 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012

How can there be a shortfall of revenue for the Port Authority if the tolls have been hiked to the point where they are barely affordable, and bus fares have all gone up? Where is all this capital going, when we all have to suffer delays and congestion? What next? PANYNJ issues identity cards to prove that we belong in our carpool?

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Eric Wanker

7:16 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012

Timmy, You'll just have to wait for the answer man, our very own B. Mays, a.k.a. ratchet jaws.

William Mays

9:27 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012

"Billy Mays
1 hour ago
The answer is both simple and complicated. The "greater good" would be something that benefits more than just the people avoiding the higher tolls; it's like a revolution against the Stamp Act many years ago. These are now once again the times that try men's souls (also women, gays, bi's, transsexuals, etc.).

There is no benefit to the general public through this opportunistic car pooling, except for the fact you may meet your soul mate, your next lover, your new BBF (best friend forever), or at the very least, your very next one-night stand. This will turn out to be a social thing, and will put an end to Facebook, Match.com, Hookup.com, eHarmony.com, and so on and so forth. Imagine a few years from now when Susie asks Mom where she met Dad. The reply would be: "Oh, we met on The GWB one bright and shiny morning."

Give me carpooling, or give me death. I only regret that I have but one life to give the PANYNJ for the right to carpool. I'd like to be able to drive up to the toll collector and smile as he or she says, "You can pay me now, or you could pay me later".

So that's it in a nutshell."

I apologize, that was the impersonator.

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Luca D.

9:36 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012

There is an overriding safety / legal concern for Fort Lee: the carpoolers need to park their cars somewhere.

If they are leaving their vehicles in the municipal lot, why are they not being picked up at the municipal lot where it is secure and safe. If they are parking on the streets, persons who do not reside in Fort Lee are either parking without parking authority approval or improperly using parking authority stickers.

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William Mays

9:53 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012

Luca, I think a lot of them just walk to the carpool pick-up area.

Luca D.

11:30 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012

If vehicles are not an issue, pick up should be off street. However, the article indicates that the group includes commuters from neighboring towns so if vehicles are involved, the parking authority needs to monitor.

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William Mays

11:36 pm on Friday, June 22, 2012

As long as they pay for municipal parking, thats ok. But as I said, the PA needs to focus on things like keeping non-resident cars off the street. I've had the same crappy 1980's Ford truck parked in front of my and neighbor's houses for weeks. They have a visitor's parking pass and they move the car about every 3 days and the town does nothing about it.

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