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Donovan Urges State To Suspend Blue Laws In Bergen

Cites "extraordinary crisis." Letter to state comes on heels of order by Mahwah mayor that his town not enforce Blue Laws on Sunday.

 

Bergen County Executive Kathleen Donovan asked the state Saturday to suspend so-called Blue Laws in Bergen County this weekend.

The move would allow residents affected by Sandy to purchase items from retail stores that would otherwise be closed.

"As you know, Bergen County has Blue Laws, which prohibit certain items from being sold on Sunday and certain stores are closed," Donovan wrote. "However, we are in the midst of an extraordinary crisis as the result of hurricane/tropical storm Sandy. Bergen County is suffering.

"Therefore, as Bergen County Executive, I am writing to you to request that you utilize the powers vested in you in your declaration of a State of Emergency to temporarily suspend the Blue Laws in Bergen County for Sunday, November 4, 2012 so that our people can purchase the items they otherwise would be restricted from purchasing so they can get on with their lives," she wrote.

It's not clear whether the state will agree to the suspension of the Blue Laws, or if it stores -- such as Home Depot and Lowes -- will have enough notice to stay open.

UPDATE: Donovan spokeswoman Jeanne Baratta said the county had not heard back from the state as of Saturday night. She said it was the county executive's way of showing support to towns that had asked that Blue Laws be waived.

Mahwah Mayor Bill Laforet said Saturday that he is suspending Blue Laws in the township this Sunday so stores like Home Depot can stay open. Home Depot has agreed to remain open.

Residents looking for Hurricane Sandy recovery items this weekend should be able to buy them in the township, Laforet said, and Blue Laws are not in the best interest of residents who are still without power.

“I will not enforce Blue Laws in Mahwah this Sunday, no matter the consequence,” he said. “We are in crisis mode."

More than 140,000 homes remained without power in the county as of Saturday morning.

Related Topics: Hurricane Sandy

Gib Franken

6:54 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012

Here's another Donovan flop, keep stores closed, people need gas!

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Chopped Meet

1:07 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Where's the flop??? Can she get the power turned on any quicker??? Gib, I think no matter what she does or says you'd complain. Are you related to AL Franken by chance?

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Lorraine E

8:37 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Most of you have really gone overboard here. First Ms Donovan is not a liberal she's a republican. Second she is asking for ONE day not permanent. Yes, some people need gas, some still need electricity and some need both but also need, blankets, towels, sheets, clothes and things you can't buy on Sunday in Bergen Co. So many Bergen Co businesses lost a lot of money this week, especially the small businesses. Wouldn't it be great if we could help them out for ONE day? Really, get perspective. OH and for you in Paramus who don't like the traffic, move to another town.

Bob

7:06 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012

I agree. We need gasoline! oh, yeah, and a little thing called electricity! Have to look at my sample ballot now........

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Sally G

8:50 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012

She’s not running. This will not help her standing with me the next time she is.

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Bernard Lyons

12:16 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Suspending the BlueLaws for a day WILL NOT, I REPEAT, WILL NOT give you Electricity or Gasolone any faster and anything else is just a smokescreen to raise more tax revenue for GREEDY politicians to spend or fill their thieving pockets with.

Coach

7:07 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012

Keep stores closed - keep people off the roads - focus on getting power back.

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JP

7:31 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012

It's amazing how people don't think things through. Keeping stores closed in Bergen will actually WASTE gasoline this Sunday if people have to travel farther to the other counties for necessities or just for somewhere to go to keep warm.. Let's take this opportunity to eliminate the Blue Laws once and for all. They are an antiquity.

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Sally G

8:46 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012

You are so, so wrong. The original reason may be—definitely is—obsolete. The current reason, and the reason that Dennis McNerney defended them so strongly, and Paramus residents voted 2:1 to keep them in place at the last referendum, is TRAFFIC. We have ONE day a week with roads less clogged; travel is possible without endless stop-and-go. As a Paramus resident, I dare not go out after noon on Saturday—highways are clogged; especially bad in December.
Necessities—food, drugs, newspapers, even alcohol and entertainment, if you call the latter necessities—are available under the law as it currently stands; there is NO necessity for suspension, especially when so many are without electricity, anyway.
I have been a fan of Ms Donovan, but this is a mark against her in my book.

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Bernard Lyons

12:19 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

I'm sure you DO NOT LIVE IN A TOWN where there are large shopping centers so you don't give a damn if if there is one day a week free from traffic and pollution and rude drivers.

JP

7:33 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012

And if the stores don't have power or generators, they aren't opening whether they want to or not.

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Susan Green

8:13 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012

You need the bleeding heart liberal Bruce Springsteen to come to Bergen County. Tell him to get off of his political platform and shut off to get things done.

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Judy

10:13 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012

Susan, Green, Why do you have to call people names when they disagree with you. It's just a difference of opinion, darn. I love Bruce Springsteen and he has every right to come to NJ an support the people who are suffering, it shows he cares, really how shallow are you? Have you helped anyone today instead of criticizing? Next time you have Bruce Springsteen tickets to a concert (which I don't believe you had them anyway) I would proudly purchase them from you. Where is Christianity these days. What Would Jesus Do? Love and care, not spew hatred.

Susan Green

8:23 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012

I agree. Can't take Bruce Springsteen any more. I had tickets to his last concert and GAVE them away. Tell him to shut his mouth and focus on what's really going on. I can't take him anymore.

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Chopped Meet

1:11 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Susan you offended poor little Judy. LOL

Tracey

8:31 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012

Stupid, stupid, STUPID. I even made the decision not to drive anywhere that I don't positively have to, in order not to waste gas. Dumbass...

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Sally G

10:21 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012

Yeah, even as I consider going to assist by bus, or into the city to help there, I think “leave the limited transportation for those who really need it”—to commute, or to get to the county clerk’s office to vote, or to help a relative.

Deleted because of harassment

8:32 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012

Attack someone as being a "bleeding heart liberal" who just pulled together a concert for charity as needing to "focus on what's really going on" in the middle of all the loss in the East Coast....shame on you. Really. How much have you done for others today?

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flgirl3rd

8:36 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012

Do u forget about the people that had damage done, or flooding that need to repair and clean up?? Would u like them to drive to NY waste more gas, or spend money in our towns and help the local businesses??

Think about it, everyone has different issues, some electric, gas, flooding or damaged property

Relax and help out where u can!!

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Sally G

8:49 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012

People who have damage have been home, could have shopped today, or earlier this week—or the damage is not so serious. Contractors are likely shopping in bulk—or do not even work on Sunday, anyway. If you really feel the need for recreational shopping, go online or out of town. Leave our roads free for utility workers and residents who have already had a stressful week—we do not even have all the buses running, why on earth do we need open stores?

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BellairBerdan

9:16 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012

If they're driving to Paramus they can drive 2 miles to Paterson to Home Depot or Lowes and pay half the sales tax.

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Sally G

10:19 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012

I have contacted and donated to Occupy Sandy to assist them in their volunteer efforts. The volunteer for N.J. page that I saw had only 609 and 908 numbers; nothing here. I am not sure whether it is because the damage is worse there, or that this area is not organized, but I do not own a car so have been unable to get around much. I did rent a car to take some housemates to work and to check on my parents, who did not have power for 2 days, also brought them to the Bergen Mall to recharge their cell phone; had to return it without gas to a large extra cost. Now that buses are starting to run again (though the 168 does not go north of the Bergen Mall, last I checked), maybe I can get somewhere to assist.
I offered Occupy Sandy to assist with communications from my computer, but it has not seemed to be practical.

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Bernard Lyons

12:24 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

If they need these things so badly tell them to get up on Saturday and obtain them, IF THEY ARE AVAILABLE. .I wish they WOULD travel "OUT OF TOWN more and relieve the traffic congestion in the towns with all these malls and shopping centers.

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TommyIce

10:48 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

@Sally G. My roofer was here today, Sunday, to replace the shingles that Sandy stole from my roof. You spoke earlier of necessities. If you've a hole in your roof, plywood, tarps and shingles are a necessity. If you have water in your basement, pumps are a necessity. If you have no power or heat, a generator is a necessity.

Must be nice that your only necessity after a monster of a storm that caused 22 people in NJ to lose their lives is a traffic free Sunday.

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Sally G

10:05 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

@Tommy:
I sympathize, I really do. I wonder, however, if your roofer had made an earlier trip to assess teh damage, after which he picked up the shingles to replace yours—shopping on Friday, or Saturday? Was your roofer a Bergen County contractor, and—regardless of that answer—did he (presumably) get his supplies in town, or even in the county, or does he get supplies out of county? The fact that he was available to do your repair today is great—that does not mean that he necessarily shopped for supplies today.

S Ryan

8:43 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012

Honestly, why do you need all the stores open this weekend? Blue Law should stay as it is and blue law or not - gas stations, supermarkets, and a variety of restaurants are open on Sunday including the movie theatre. Besides, residents need a break from all the traffic.

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8:57 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012

I am not in agreement with this, either - but I can understand the logic that says Bergen is making things more difficult for those that need to do repairs and don't want to drive. But we don't need the Garden State Plaza with open stores, or the Bergen Mall, or Paramus Park. No one is having an urgent need to stock up in Hot Topic or Abercrombie. People need hardware and generators and repair supplies, which would better be served by an edict to allow those things to be purchased on an emergency basis then just blanket permission to open.

I saw this request coming when the Record posted an article about the Plaza keeping the food court and part of the AMC wing open as a charging/warming station. Westfield does little out of altruism, and they probably see this as a means to bypass the law that Bergen County residents support if only to give them one day a week of traffic sanity.

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Sally G

10:02 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012

O.K., there is no reason that the malls cannot open their food courts—those are restaruants, and many Paramus restaurants are open on Sunday. I guess the mall common areas are considered closed businesses, so there may be some relaxing needed if that is to continue on Sunday. However, the request—which I am not sure is even needed, although it technically might be, as the blue laws remain on the state books and other counties have gotten exemptions—was not framed as “allow Bergen County to ignore humanitarian violations of the blue law during this crisis”, but “suspend the blue laws. . . so that our people can purchase the items they otherwise would be restricted from purchasing ”, which opens up a huge can of worms. Too vague at best; unnecessary at worst. If she got legal advice in drafting the letter, it was not great; if not, she should have.

BellairBerdan

9:08 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012

Keep the stores closed. It's wrong to use a crisis to push your political agenda. The People want to keep these laws.

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Bernard Lyons

12:29 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

I would NOT object to allowing the Home Depot and Lowes stores to open on Sunday for the next to Sundays but that is IT. NO MORE than that!!!

Paul Umrichin

9:34 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012

It's one day Paramus!! I respect the reasononing every other day of the year. But you can't deal with one Sunday out of many that have passed so that people have places to get what they need right now, really. You don't need to open every store in Paramus, You just need to open stores that that have certain items that are considered essential such as Lowes, Home Depot, or Dick's there's no reason that places such as Toys R Us or Jared need to open or be given the opportunity. Even keeping movie theaters open would be good as well so there is something for bored, cold, powerless familes to do. This doesn't have to be an all or nothing solution, which most people around here always seem to make an issue. Stop thinking one dimensional and look at the entire picture. I personally would like to be able to go locally for items tomorrow for a variety of reasons instead of having to waste time and gas to go to NY or out of Bergen County.

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Sally G

10:06 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012

Paul, you make some sense, but we long-term residents (I was born into Paramus 58 years ago) are afraid of slippery slopes. And many necessities are already available in the town, and in the county—food, drugs, newspapers, even entertainment—so, with respect, unless you can explain specific emergency reasons for picking up the items you would like to purchase locally tomorrow, instead of having done so today, or doing so on Monday, I stand by my preferance that the law be honored.

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Bernard Lyons

12:32 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Ummm, Paul, I think most people in Paramus think of the old Arab proverb about the "Camel having his nose in the TENT and inviting himself the rest of the way into the tent.

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TommyIce

10:51 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Quote SallyG "unless you can explain specific emergency reasons for picking up the items you would like to purchase locally tomorrow, instead of having done so today, or doing so on Monday,"

Because crap happens during disasters and you can't plan your shopping schedule around it. People aren't buying holiday stocking stuffers.

Q

9:34 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012

The traffic on Saturday would be far lighter if the stores were also open on Sunday. People would not feel the need to get all the shopping done on Saturday in one long, all day affair. Get rid of the Blue Laws and let the stores be open (or not if individual business owners prefer) and people will have the choice to shop either Saturday or Sunday or a little on each day, whatever is convenient for them. Nice to know Home Depot will be open in Mahwah on Sunday. Thanks for suspending the Blue Laws and let's work toward modernity and rid ourselves of Blue Laws entirely.

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Sally G

10:13 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012

The problem with that—at least one problem—is that smaller stores do not have the resources to hire extra employees for Sunday. Hence, to be competitive, the proprietor is forced to forego his/her day off. I know of at least one retail employee, a resident of New Milford, who has said to me, “I am glad that I work in Paramus; I am guaranteed at least one day off a week.” The malls, too, prefer to keep closed—they would see no overall increase in business, rather would take business from out-of-county locations of their chains, and would spend more on light, heat, and security (yes, that means fewer hours for some security personnel—but see the comment above).
I do not want to suggest that you, or other potential shoppers, are selfish, wanting to “have the choice to shop. . . .a little on each day”, but everything cannot be convenient for everyone all the time; customers have 6 days a week, employees should, I think, be entitled to one.
BTW, I have no great love for Sunday being the single closed day—it has happened because of history, but IF—and that is a big if—we could get ALL businesses to close on Saturday, instead, I would be just as happy. One day off a week, period.

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Bernard Lyons

12:36 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

I think we residents in Paramus wish, nay demand, to control our own destiny and if we, in the last election voted over 2 to 1 (actually it was even higher) to keep our Blue Laws then who the hell gives any out of towner the right to tell us how to live.
Begone Satin!

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Rose Boniello

9:29 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Paramus, NJ is the most profitable retail area in the US, even tho stores have 6 days to sell and other areas have 7. Those of us who live in Bergen County have spoken - blue laws are essential for quality of life, esp traffic issues. If you need to shop on Sunday, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE! And we don't care what out of towners think about our blue laws. It is where we live and this is our decision. Deal with it.

USA1

9:54 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012

Listen Donovan is an idiot, home depot sure but do we really need malls open. We want people off the roads so pseg crews can work safely, I WANT MY POWER ON and so do thousands of others.

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recipeaddict

10:02 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012

If six days of shopping aren't adequate to acquire all your material goods, then you have an organizational problem. Plan ahead and I bet you can do without sundays. It's the "one" day of peace & quiet in Paramus and I love it.

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Sally G

10:23 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012

Especially with the ease of online shopping!

Joseph Rivers

10:05 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012

Normally I would say no way keep them closed, but under these circumstances they should be open! This would be a huge benefit to all Bergen County residents effected by the storm, especially the residents of Little Ferry, Carlstadt, S Hackensack, and Moonachie. These people need clean up, building, plumbing, heating, and electrical supplies. Often they're trying to work their full time jobs all week including Saturday's, and then trying to put there homes and lives together on a Sunday. I say loosen the blue laws until at least 12/31/12

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Sandy

10:14 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012

It's ONE damn day!! And the clothing stores need to be open for those who lost EVERYTHING. My mother lost all her clothing because the water went into every drawer of every dresser. I can't believe the selfish comments from those who still have homes and all their possessions. You should be ashamed but I'm sure you won't, because you only think of yourselves.

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Sally G

10:32 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012

Sandy, I am so sorry for your mom’s loss of so much. Forgive me, E-mail has no emotion in its “voice”—yes, if anyone “needs” to shop, she would certainly qualify. But I think she has bigger problems than shopping for clothes tomorrow; I do hope that she has found warm shelter and good food, and that the damage is less than it seems at first. Pelease reach out to local places of worship, civic agencies, the town government, etc., for whatever assistance you need.

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Bernard Lyons

12:39 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Why didn't she shop on Tues., Wed., Thur., Fri., or Sat.???

Paul Umrichin

10:25 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012

Sally I complete respect and enjoy the Blue Law myself. It's nice to be able to navigate the roads much more easily. You are missing the overall picture. Paramus is one town of 82 in Bergen. Not everyone wants to invade you but would like every day possible to do whatever work they need to and have the access to tools and supplies. That slippery slope still has to pass a popular vote to completely repeal the law and as you know has been defeated multiple times before. No one is even trying to do that. As far as Donovan I think she needed to think it out a little better.

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Sally G

10:34 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012

I understand, Paul; I agree that Ms Donovan needed to think it out better. This is not a decision that the county executive should have taken on herself. As you say, it has been defeated soundly in the past.

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Tom Troncone

10:25 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012

UPDATE: Donovan spokeswoman Jeanne Baratta said the county had not heard back from the state as of Saturday night. She said it was the county executive's way of showing support to towns that had asked that Blue Laws be waived.

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Sally G

10:47 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

No backbone, appease the local pols who look for revenue first, want to grandstand. Why could she either make the decision to open, or say no? Instead she pushes it up the chain? Sorry, bad move on her part—and the explanation makes her look weak. Sadly, I am losing the respect that I had for her as county clerk, a job she did well for decades.

Michelle

10:56 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012

If the state does agree to this, they should leave it up to the towns to decide if they want businesses open on Sundays. It might benefit some towns, but for others, like Paramus, it would just cause more problems.

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Collette

10:59 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012

All Home Depot's in Bergen County will be open this Sunday 11/4 from sunrise to sunset (approximately 6:30 AM - 5:00 PM). This includes Lodi, Hackensack, Paramus, and Mahwah. There are also charging stations set up in each store so the community may recharge their phones or whatnot.

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Bernard Lyons

12:41 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

SO THERE, PROBLEM SOLVED, NEXT ISSUE!!!

Bob Gilson

11:06 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012

Amazing. The antiquity is two 90 year old highway, power lines on poles versus underground. Maybe if we get state of the art infrastructure we can talk about openong stores on Sunday.

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Sally G

10:48 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

One thing has nothing to do with another.

Alice Ann

11:18 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012

Dear Paramus...
Get with the program and stop your bellyaching. It's one day and it should be more. The reason is outdated and so is the current logic. Opening on Sundays will also create jobs for this area... Hello is that a bad thing??? Traffic will spread itself out and has a possibility of winding up better. Get with the program and stop the BS and being so selfish. If you choose not to shop on Sunday so be it, but there are others who choose to shop on Sunday and should have that option.

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Bernard Lyons

12:42 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Here we go again, an out of towner trying to tell us to live. Probably a Socialist.

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Sally G

5:05 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

The jobs it might create—and I am not so sure that the total would be great at all, the stores would more likely just shuffle schedules for already-employed personnel—would be low-end retail jobs, most likely not for residents. I certainly understand that not every job can be an executive or management job, but if we are talking about job creation, I believe that we must be clear about how many of what level of job we are discussing, so that we can weigh actual costs against actual benefits as much as possible.

Erik Friis

11:53 pm on Saturday, November 3, 2012

I for one am tired of hearing the denizens of Paramus crying about traffic! The Sunday Blue Laws are a joke and a religious artifact from the olden days. If you can't deal with the traffic on Sundays then you shouldn't have supported the politicians who decided to turn Paramus into one big strip mall for the unwashed masses--nor should you relish the tax breaks you derive from it. Let's face it you can't have your cake and eat it too--if it were up to me every store would have the option of being open 24/7 (it's called a free market folks and it works). Don't like it? Move to a town with fewer stores and pay higher taxes. Sunday is the best shopping day of the week and it's a joke that the good citizens of Paramus enforce religious dogma from the Dark Ages known as "Blue Laws" to limit traffic and now under the pretense of "saving gasoline." Want to save gas?? Limit your trips during the week to McDonald's for your Big Macs!

I remember as a kid going to Valley Fair in Hillsdale on a Sunday where you could buy just about anything in the world on a Sunday except clothing that was all covered up because of your "Blue Laws." And to illustrate how absurd these idiotic laws are you can buy the same exact pair of sneakers in a sporting goods store that you cannot buy in a shoe or department store. Get real!

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Erik Friis

12:27 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Oh, one last thing--rest assured that the outdated Blue Laws of Bergen County will go the same way as the horse drawn carriage, though not soon enough for my taste!

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Sally G

2:30 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Why stay? You could move to Passaic County, or Hudson or Rockland, N.Y., if it really troubles you that much. Unless you are a native (in which case you grew up with them), you knew about the blue laws when you moved in, right?

Bernard Lyons

12:47 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

If you don't like our LAWS move to New York, where you are free to enjoy higher Sales taxes and all the other garbage they put up with. And excuse us if we still believe in God & Country and wish to observe the Sabbath. Take your atheistic ways and move tto Russia or China if you don't like our way of life.

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Sally G

10:51 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

I almost said bravo, until I read to the end of your comment. I am an atheist who supports the blue laws for traffic reasons, and for employees who are entitled to a guaranteed day off by their maintenance. If others choose to shop, they have many places to do so. The “Sabbath” has nothing to do with it for me; IFF (if and only if) we could get ALL businesses to close on Saturday, or Tuesday, it would work just as well for me—a single day with only necessities (and entertainment) open.

Paul Umrichin

12:59 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

What exactly are atheistic ways? In my experience it's just no belief in god or religion. Do you mean satanist, or maybe anarchist, nihilist, communist, socialist, shoppinglist, ludicrous, instead of atheist? Just asking so I know what my ways are because I thought that belief in science, teaching my children morals, and trying to be a good person were my ways.

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Sally G

10:53 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

See my response above. I agree, only religious beliefs differentiate an atheist from the theistic population. We atheists are between 15 and 20% of the national population, but you could not tell it without a discussion of religion with one of us.

Concerned !

1:19 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Too little too late anyway. Who will know now anyway, patch readers?

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Sally G

10:55 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Yeah, I got an e-mail from Hackensack saying that the town would not enforce blue laws—well before this even showed up on Patch. I was first angered (see my other comments here) and then realized that this message was only going to be seen by people with electricity—what was the point?

Concerned !

1:32 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Maybe I am a little slow but why are Paramus people using the Wyckoff Franklin.Lakes Patch to voice opinions anyway? Just curious.

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Sally G

10:56 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

This is showing up on all Patches—I found it in Paramus, the comments I am reading now (new sign in) are listed under Ridgewood, and I am signed up/logged in (physically) in Paramus.

Erik Friis

1:13 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

@Bernard: Folks that perpetrate your brand of dogma and make references to "God & Country" don't seem to have a clue regarding one of the founding principles of this country--the separation of Church and State! I believe in God and I also believe in my Country. My point is you are free to chose your religion, but don't impose your "Sabbath" on others. New York? Most, if not all of New Jersey, has no Blue Laws except Bergen County with Paramus enforcing them perhaps the most strictly because they've turned the town into a shoppers' Disney World, and this didn't happen overnight! Let's face it--forcing the closure of stores on "the Sabbath" is a clear violation of the separation of Church and State. It reminds one of the sort of law that would be passed by a band of Puritans in the days of old. The ones who whine about the traffic make no sense either--if you work full time, closing stores on Sundays reduces the amount of time you have to shop by 50%!! This is what, in my opinion, is causing Rt. 17 in Paramus to be choked with traffic on Saturdays! Yes, people will drive elsewhere on a Sunday (New York State, further south in NJ) spending their money elsewhere too taking money out of the pockets of Paramus businesses (I'll bet they love that in this lousy economy). Need a day off? Close your shop--no one is forcing you to keep your doors open, but by the same token, don't force a business to keep their doors shut.

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Sally G

11:00 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Erik,
Bernard is an extremist; I am an ATHEIST who speaks in favor of the blue laws all the time; it is no longer the religious issue that it was in the 1700s and 1800s; it is a matter of congestion, traffic, and a day off for employees. It benefits small “mom-and-pop” businesses that do not have the resources to hire as many employees as the bigger chains; it benefits the malls that make more $ in 6 days in Paramus than in 7 days elsewhere (and would prefer to keep expenses down by staying closed 1 day, believing that they would not increase overall sales, would just take sales away fro the stores that are open). I agree that Bernard is out of step with his justification; I believe that mine are more rational.

Erik Friis

1:14 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Separation of Church and State is imperative for a functioning Democracy. If you feel the need to speak of "God & Country" as a singular perhaps you are the one that really ought to move elsewhere! Besides, if God were to come to Paramus on a Sunday, I'm sure even He would want to get some shopping done :)

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Sally G

11:05 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

No, I think he would prefer to sleep in, go out for a newspaper and coffee, see a movie, and then hang out with his family, all without stop-and-go traffic jams. Sometime during the day he might want to clip coupons and make a shopping list for the week.

Sandy

5:39 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Mr Lyons, you are truly an ass

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Sally G

11:01 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Be that as it may, the blue laws help quality of life for employees, small businesses, and residents alike.

Joe LaPorta

6:53 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Great idea to ease people getting to work Monday:-) we are almost there people! Now let's get that gas flowing!

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Donna Colucci

8:09 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Here's an idea...perhaps someone who would like to purchase underwear, socks, or t-shirts for children/people who have NONE could if the laws were waived....

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Sally G

11:02 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Maybe they could have done that yesterday, or tomorrow?

FSS

8:23 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO IS THERE IS NO REASON TO OPEN THE STORES ON SUNDAYS. ITS CALLED ORGANIZATION OF YOUR LIFE. KNOW WHAT YOU NEED MONDAY TO SATURDAY AND GO SHOP. IF I EVER NEED ANYTHING THAT BAD PATERSON LOWES IS OPEN AT 3% TAX ONLY... GO THERE. ITS RIGHT OFF RT 80... NO BIG DEAL.. ALSO YOU HAVE WAYNE, NY STATE. EMPLOYEES LOVE HAVING A DAY OFF TO BE WITH THEIR FAMILIES. I MYSELF HAVE TOLD MY KIDS DO NOT PICK A JOB WHERE YOU HAVE TO WORK ON SUNDAYS AND IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION. ITS JUST TO HAVE A DAY OFF FROM SCHOOL AND WORK, TO HAVE TIME TO THEMSELVES, RNR..... SO THERE IS NO REASON TO GET NASTY, ITS ALL PERSONAL OPINIONS. I JUST KNOW THAT THE BERGEN COUNTY PEOPLE KNOW THAT THEY SHOULD GET WHATEVER THEY NEED MONDAY TO SATURDAY, IT'S NOT A SUPRISE THAT SUNDAY IS CLOSED....COME ON PEOPLE, LETS THINK OF OTHERS, WE HAVE BECOME THE MOVIE MAD MAX WITH MEL GIBSON... WE ARE BETTER THEN THAT. WHAT ARE WE SHOWING OUR KIDS. HAVE A HEART, LETS NOT LOOSE ALL COMPASSION FOR OTHERS.... THINK OF ALL THESE PEOPLE THAT DO NOT HAVE HOMES ANYMORE, BE GREATFUL THAT YOU DO HAVE SOMETHING TO GO SHOPPING FOR.... I KNOW A 19 YEAR OLD BOY THAT HAS CANCER AND HAS TO GO BACK AND FORTH TO NY FOR TREATMENTS, THINK OF WHAT THE PARENTS ARE GOING TO DO FOR GAS FOR TRAVEL.......THERE ARE MORE IMPORTANT THINGS GOING ON IN LIFE.... BE SAFE EVERYONE, TAKE CARE.

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BellairBerdan

8:45 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

If the purpose is to get people back on their feet faster, wouldn't it be more beneficial to have all county and municipal office open 7 days a week? That's something Donovan could probably do right away.

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Stephanie in GR

9:21 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

These lame blue laws from 1650 should just go. If you want a quiet, family Christian Sunday, then stay home with your family and don't go shopping. Others who work on Saturday need to do things on Sunday without driving to the next county. This issue is so ridiculous to the point of nausea already.

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BellairBerdan

10:10 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

What about the people that have to work on Sunday?

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Sally G

11:08 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

I want a quiet ATHEIST Sunday—or Monday, or Saturday, or. . . IF we can get all nonessentials closed another day, that would be just fine with me. If you do not like the county, or Paramus, move away—it is not like anyone was unaware of this moving in or growing up.

Jim

9:29 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Way to stay on topic everyone.

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recipeaddict

9:34 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

I don't see why we have to be a 24/7 society. Except for the people that have become so addicted to their techno phones, ipads, etc.....check out how much time you waste on those things. Then maybe you'll see why you think you need another day of open stores.

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USA1

9:54 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Erik stop being an ass, blue laws have been voted on by Bergen County more then once. If you want to change it get it on the ballet and vote "NO", otherwise stop complaining it is what it is!

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Kevin

9:58 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

The Blue Laws should be removed in general, they are outdated

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USA1

10:01 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Kevin but it appears they are not outdated, since the people in Bergen County keep voting it down!

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Concerned !

10:20 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Hey, does this ease the tension here? The point is for people to be able to get what they need and now Hackensack will NOT enforce Blue Laws today and thus are implying permission for stores to open. I am sure other towns will also do that even if Paramus won't (and not judging here). Bottom line is if we have several towns 'not enforce' the blue laws, people can get what they need likely even closer to home and it does not have to be a Paramus issue. I am running on a generator and expected date for power is 11/11 so I would rather concentrate on O&R being useless.
http://www.northjersey.com/news/176980541_Hackensack_won_t_enforce_Blue_Laws_on_Sunday___We_have_out_hands_full___official_says.html

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Donna Colucci

10:31 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Target is open in paramus and so is costco...hoping people will get what they need.

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Q

10:43 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Bernard Lyons quote:"I think we residents in Paramus wish...to keep our Blue Laws then who the hell gives any out of towner the right to tell us how to live.
Begone Satin!"

Mr. Lyons, what do you have against "satin?" It's a fine, smooth fabric that I'd like to be able to buy any day of the week should I be in desperate need of it. I won't go to Paramus, however, since I almost never shop there. I shop in my own town, in Bergen County, where the Blue Laws are hindering my ability to shop for "satin" on Sundays. God forbid.

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Sally G

11:10 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

I agree about satin—very luxurious—but I am quite happy buying it only 6 days a week. The 7th day I can wear it and travel in a civilized manner.

Paul Umrichin

10:50 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

i know that it's mostly corporate greed that is making the businesses themselves want to drop the blue law however kudos to the businesses that are opening. Screw the people of Paramus today, I am sick of their bitching. Let the stores take a risk on the fine. If they get fined then get your trial by jury... no one will EVER let that ticket stand with a guilty verdict (unless the jury is from Paramus or the store sold things that were unnecessary)

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Q

10:55 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Saw a bumper sticker yesterday, "The Founding Fathers were Right Wing Extremists" As if today's right wing republicans are anything like America's Founding Fathers. HA! They'd be rolling over in their graves at the comparison. Church and State separation was imperative in their beliefs. Not so, of today's right wing extremist. Thank goodness for people like Erik Friis. I'm not alone here in Bergen with the fundamentalists.

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Sally G

12:05 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

How do you explain me, an atheist standing up for closing stores. I am very far “left” in my thoughts; support women’s issues (reproductive choice, equal pay); rabid environmentalist (less driving on Sunday, or any day, is good; I support mass transit wholeheartedly); universal national health program (i.e., improved and expanded Medicare for all), money out of politics, religion out of schools, separation of church & state (which more fundamentalists should support to protect their religion from interference by the secular state). I am pretty much in favor of limiting the tax exemption for religious entities, but carefully—secular not-for-profit organizations get those tax exemptions, too, so it is not an easy answer. I am totally against Pres. Bush’s faith-based initiative cabinet department, deeply disappointed that Pres. Obama, rather than eliminate it, appointed a fundamentalist christian to lead it.
All that said (some, not all, relevant, but helps you get to know me a little), I still strongly support the blue laws—NOT as a religious issue, as quality of life for residents and employees alike. I encourage you to think about this as more than a fundamentalist vs secular issue; if you still support, then OK.
I agree about the founders—their era was strongly religious, they less so, and amazing liberal for their time. Note the common root word of “liberal” & “libertarian”. check out www.politicalcompass.org: l/r & libertarian/authoritarian.

Concerned !

10:57 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

More info.. .Officials in Mahwah, Lyndhurst and Hackensack have said they won't enforce Blue Laws on Sunday. NJ.com

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Joseph Rivers

11:00 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Just unbelievable! This isn't about loosening restrictions for people to start their Christmas shopping. This is because of a Federal Disaster!!

Because of this storm there are so many people in need of clothing, cleaning products, building, electrical, and plumbing materials. Remember most of these people are trying to rebuild there homes while holding full time jobs, waiting on insurance adjustors, Fema Reps, contractors, and utility crews. They're limited on available time, and don't have the luxury of planning there shopping schedules! If you've never been through something like this, you can't understand how precise time is!

I don't think Blue Laws should be permanently removed, although they SHOULD be loosened for at least the rest of this year!

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Q

11:07 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

I do think the Blue Laws should be permanently removed. This article brought up the topic. Again, not a fan of shopping in Paramus. I shop mainly in my own town in Bergen County. My guess is the law will be repealed at some point; it's just a matter of when.

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Erik Friis

11:17 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

@Q: LOL...don't mind him--he's just ignorant, besides I found USA1's well reasoned retort much more compelling "Erik stop being an ass" :)

Must be mainly retirees attempting to make the case that we all have 6 days to shop--I commute to NYC every weekday, so my shopping time in my home county is limited to ONE day--Saturday. The Blue Laws of Bergen County are a relic of society that thankfully don't exist in many places in this country. The good news is that as the proverbial "torch is passed" to new generations of voters the Bergen County Blue Laws will be nothing but a curious footnote in the local history books. I've been a resident of Bergen Country now for almost 50 years and have always been (as well as voted) against them.

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BellairBerdan

11:23 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

It's good to know in this time of disaster I will be able to buy new napkin rings and placemats but can not get a copy of my birth certificate, a building permit for repairs, or any other legal document.

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Kevin

11:27 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Blue Laws are NOT necessary. For all of the people in favor of Free enterprise, it should be a business's decision whether to be open on a Sunday; it is also a decision for small family owned businesses. Big Box, small box stores, they make decisions in a Free Enterprise economy. It is NOT the Republicans, Democrats, religious or secular associations' authority decide what days a business operates.

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Sally G

12:09 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

VEry few laws are “necessary”. I contend that they make the playing field more level for small businesses, do not improve the bottom line of the bigger retailers; you disagree.
Very well. You vote against, I vote for. So far, the majority of residents of the county agree with me. I tend more toward libertarian than authoritarian, according to my results from politicalcompass.org, but you are even more libertarian than I on this issue, it appears.
So be it; we can agree to disagree.

Kath H

11:44 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

As someone - who doesn't live in Paramus - who has voted EVERY time to keep the Blue Laws, I have no objection to allowing stores to open for this one Sunday during an extreme emergency. Until we got our power back, I was thinking of going over to the GSP to charge my electronics, to walk around & maybe get a bite to eat in the light instead of the dark.

To those who don't live in this area, you've no idea what a relief Sunday brings when you need to get around - especially from Nov - Dec. The traffic is horrendous and a good portion of the license plates are from NY. I live in Fair Lawn and we get the traffic overflow and so does Saddle Brook, Rochelle Park and other towns that border Paramus. We had nothing to say about the building of the malls, nor do we get any tax benefit from having those stores as neighbors. I could care less about any religions significance - that's not why we want the stores closed. It's a quality of life issue. It's one day to not have to deal with the traffic in the most congested county in the most congested state in the nation (or at least pretty near the top). If you don't want the stores closed or you absolutely need to shop on Sunday, I suggest you investigate living somewhere else. Our taxes are very high - you'll save yourself some money and get some cars off our roads. The people of Bergen County have decided time and time again that we want the stores closed on Sunday. It's where we live and how we chose to spend our lives.

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Sally G

12:10 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Thank you, Kath; yours is a comment I respect, well-thought-out and clear, and I honor your reason for accepting the relaxation of the blue laws this weekend.

USA1

11:45 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Erik your church and state ramble was silly and that is why you were being an ass! But I am glad to know you vote for the removal of blue laws in Bergen County. So it appears you have been a loser for the almost 50 years you have lived in Bergen County.

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Sally G

12:12 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

That was unnecessary, though I agree that the religious reason for the keeping the blue laws intact is long past relevance.

Kevin

12:41 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

@Sally G: Your quality of life would be even better without the Blue Laws. When the Blue Laws are revoked, you will have approximately half the traffic now experienced on Saturdays since about half the people may choose to shop on a Sunday instead. Employees could work either Saturday or Sunday or both, if they choose. In other states, time and 1/2 pay is offered for workers on a Sunday.

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BellairBerdan

1:37 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

To think that traffic will be halved is either naive or misleading. In a time of disaster it is more important to keep people off the roads so crews can maneuver more quickly and safely to restore services for everyone.

Seven day a week operations do not give employees a choice of working weekend days, they're told. Working a full weekend becomes part of their schedule and they do not get time and a half for working Sunday.

It also hurts real small businesses and sole proprietors in that they need to work 7 days a week in order to be competitive with larger corporations.

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Sally G

2:37 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

I disagree; more days = more shopping, less planning. There will be no reduction—or lilttle—on Saturday, just increased traffic on Sunday. This opinion is based on a report that the malls prefer to stay open only 6 days in the area, figuring that they would just be spending more on heat, light, and security, without an increase in sales (lost sales in other areas would balance). Overtime is not based on the day of the week, it is based on the weekly hours by a worker—generally does not kick in until after 40 hours, and most retail stores hire part-time workers, so they do not have to provide benefits. Also, many retail stores rotate schedules.

Kevin

12:43 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Erik's attempt to change his corner of the world by educating the masses is commendable. Almost 50 years in Bergen County and it hasn't warped his mind. Wonderful news; not a loser at all.

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Q

12:57 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Ditto, what Kevin said.

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Erik Friis

2:41 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

@USA1: Let me tell you something, it's because there are more "losers" like me around than people like you that you are able to come on this forum and call me or anyone else a "loser" without incident as opposed to having been hauled off in leg irons and thumb screws.

@Kevin and Q: Tthanks for your well reasoned posts and support

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Erik Friis

3:07 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

@SallyG: Please provide a reference to that "report." I doubt many stores want to be forced to be closed one day a week, but would much rather have the choice of when to be closed. The Mom & Pop shops don't compete with the big box stores (they can't)--they operate in niche markets. Case in point: Tool Town on Rt. 17 Sourh in Paramus has been in business for decades. Even with Home Depot and another national chain "Woodworker's Warehouse" opening right across the highway (and subsequently going out of business in just a few short years) Tool Town is still happily in business and profitable. Having a choice to be open on a Sunday, knowing the owner, he would probably choose to be closed, but I know Home Depot would love to be open. And it sure is handy when you're working on a project or out in the yard and you need that special sized screw or tool, to be able to buy it. I have too often been frustrated at not being able to get something I need at my own local Home Depot (and we don't have traffic issues--just shackled by these absurd Blue Laws) and have to drive to Nanuet instead.

The Valley Fair examplefrom my youth was absurd--you could buy a toy, a tool, or a toilet seat, but you could not buy a T-shirt on Sunday! Enough said!

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Sally G

6:48 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

still looking for a specific reference, but I did find this elsewhere on Paramus Patch, posted by JB on Thursday, 14 June 2012: Any of the major retailers will tell you 'off the record of course' that they don't want to open the stores here on Sunday. Macy's in Paramus does as much business in 6 days as Macy's in Nanuet for 7 days. Opening a business another day does NOT mean more revenue.
Will keep looking!

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Sally G

9:56 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Here are comments from the owner of Norton Paints in Paramus, Carl Shaw, and from Dennis McNerney, in an article in the Daily Freeman, Mar. 27, 2010 (http://dailyfreeman.com/articles/2010/03/27/news/doc4bae79c898a1d728763487.txt?viewmode=fullstory):
"Sundays in this town are wonderful," said Carl Shaw, a 56-year-old Bergen County native who owns Norton Paints in Paramus, which is closed on Sundays by law. "To the people who say 'I need it now,' I say 'Plan ahead or come Saturday or Monday.'" [snip]
"The blue laws have been in effect in Bergen County since the 1950s to give our citizens ... one day of rest from the traffic jams, noise pollution and accidents that are a nightmare on Saturdays and long weekends," [then-county-executive Dennis] McNerney told the panel [N.J. Senate budget committee hearing at BCC].
Bergen's law has been around longer than its five malls. Longer even than the traffic backup clogging Route 17 at rush-hour, which is what proponents say makes the ban really sacred — the promise that they can get where they're going on Sundays, even if it's not to a mall. [snip]
Shaw, the paint store owner. . . . believes his sales revenue would be roughly the same whether he's open for business six days a week or seven.
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Sally G

10:01 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

continuing prior comment
When New Jersey lifted a statewide prohibition on Sunday shopping decades ago, most counties quickly opted out. The last county to do so was Hudson, also in densely populated North Jersey, in the mid-1980s.

Bergen voters have held tight to their no-shopping tradition, defeating prior attempts to lift the ban. The most recent referendum, in 1993, was defeated by about 80,000 votes. A 1980 attempt to overturn the blue laws lost by nearly 35,000 votes.
"Blue laws hits home with people — they're outraged," said Sarlo, a Democrat who represents Bergen County. [snip]
Christie further angered opponents with a declaration this week that a giant retail and entertainment complex [Xanadu, as it was previously called] being built in the Meadowlands in Bergen County would not be subject to the ban.
"We're all quite perplexed on how he intends to do this," Sarlo said. "He's taking it away from the will of the people.
Sally again: this article was from March 2010, at the beginning of Christie’s term, when he was trying to raise funds and get the “Xanadoom” project restarted.
Note the INCREASE in votes FOR the blue laws from 1980 (35,000 margin) to 1993 (80,000 margin).

USA1

3:18 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Kevin do you have supportive data that the traffic will be half on Sunday if the blue laws are repealed? Come on son you are making a huge assumption. But gentleman since 1957 it has been in place and has been voted to keep it, have it put on the ballet and see what it does again!

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recipeaddict

3:30 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

OMG,,,when I can't get a nail, tool, or piece of lumber on a sunday...it's like the end of the world!! During time of disaster like this past week,,,sure,,people need those supplies. But, lets put this into perspective,,,,,,,your little weekend project is not the end of the world if it has to wait till monday in normal times.
The generation of instant gratification will not be put out. Learn to relax alittle will ya!

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Erik Friis

3:56 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

@recipeaddict: I guess you missed the point: I work full-time, I can only work on home improvements, projects, etc. on the weekends. 50% of my free time is impacted by these ridiculous Blue Laws!

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recipeaddict

4:45 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

We have worked full time also,,brought two sons up with hectic sports schedules and have had our share of home improvement projects. But,,ya know what? We survived. We've had some horrible things happen in our lives and if it taught me anything,,,it's that time with my family & friends is what is most important. Don't sweat the little stuff is so cliche,,,,but it's true. And maybe you'll live alittle longer.

Joseph Rivers

4:35 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Christie Suspends Bergen Blue Laws

Governor says easing Sunday sales restriction will help with storm recovery

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Sally G

5:14 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Christie has been after the blue laws to get “Xanadoom”, that monstrosity in the Meadowlands (sorry for the editorializing), started with the new owner and new name, implying that it would greatly increase sales-tax revenue. Dennis McNerney was a staunch defender of Sunday closings at the state senate budget committee hearing at Bergen Community College in 2011 (I was in the audience for most of that day). His testimony that day was the source of the information about the malls preferring to be closed one day a week; I will look for online documentation.

Erik Friis

5:53 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Note to self: Don't ever vote for Dennis McNerney :)

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Sally G

10:07 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012

Note to self: vote for McNerney every time; he supported what the voters wanted.

USA1

1:18 am on Monday, November 5, 2012

Sally really Dennis? Come on the bug eyed control freak is one thing but Dennis was useless....

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Sally G

1:45 am on Monday, November 5, 2012

Well, USA!, I certainly appreciated his strong stand on the blue laws; have not been happy with the whole county police debate and how it was handled, but do not have strong opinions on the county executive otherwise. She apparently did a good job as county clerk for a long time.
I was particularly distressed by the freeholders’ handling of the Tennessee Gas pipeline vote; they virtually gave away open land that had been purchased with Green Acres money—the county has NEVER turned down a Green Acres bond; we residents appreciate what little open space is left in this crowded, traffic-filled county, and expect such land to be protected in perpetuity, but we are drifting to another subject. . . .

USA1

1:32 pm on Monday, November 5, 2012

Sally Donovan makes me sick and I voted for her, extremely tired her wanted to hear her own voice and prove how big her balls are compared to the men in Bergen County. That said she does some things well and I agree I don't like how she spends our money on lawsuits and BS red tape. I support the blue laws and as I always said put it back on the ballet and lets vote again, if the county votes it down then I will live with Sunday shopping otherwise the people of Bergen County have spoken until next time it pops up.

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rex merrins

8:11 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012

you people in Paramus approved having all these malls and shop centers many years ago. You all make me sick how many NEW JERSEY PLATES I SEE IN PALISADES MALLS PARKING LOTS ON A SUNDAY AND YOU CANT HANDLE TWO WEEKS OF YOUR MALLS BEING OPEN SUNDAY, YOU ALL SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELVES WHAT PEOPLE HAVE LOST IN SOUTH JERSEY STATEN ISLAND AND THE ROCKAWAYS AND YOU ALL ARE BITCHING ABOUT YOUR STUPID BLUE LAWS BEING SUSPENDED. RESIDENTS OF PARAMUS GROW UP ITS TIME THAT PARAMUS OPENS ON SUNDAY.

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Hank

8:22 pm on Wednesday, November 7, 2012

Does it have anything to do with the fact that the mall is 6 miles from the NJ line?

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